Posted by Ezekiel 25:17 on June 08, 2001 at 13:41:42:
In Reply to: Re: Question and Oops posted by James 5:16 on June 05, 2001 at 20:31:49:
Pardon my incoherence, but I'm in a frantic period at the moment. Any answers given are welcome and altho long, I hope you give my ramblings some time and thought :)
: Basically, we are called to the Lord or not. Christianity is a two-way street. However, when we hear the Word (namely the specific words of the Bible or have an experience with a pastor or a knowledgable christian), then the change should at the very least, begin.
If the change doesn't begin, does this imply we are a bad person?
: If that person has been exposed to the Law and the testament of Jesus Christ, then yes. Even if the person is good but he has been exposed to Jesus and his truths, then if that person chooses not to believe in Christ then damnation is that person's fate. It sounds harsh, but that is the way the Bible sets things up.
Okay, this is where the problems begin :)
1. God is just and merciful.
Therefore this implies that the salvation of all mankind is his ultimate goal.
When you consider the vast majority of Eastern populations have not even heard of Jesus, then by your argument, these people are already damned. You then add all those who believe in Islam, Hindu, Buddhism etc, and you condemn another few hundred million to damnation as well.
Surely, God should not choose favourites? All those who have not even heard about Jesus have no real free-will as they are born into sin without any avenue of redemption.
Even when this is the case, they are still better off than anyone who has ever heard of Jesus. Because by your arguments, to hear about and not believe in Jesus is also to invite damnation. However, never hearing about Jesus will result in eventual later judgement by God based on your actions (altho still likely to end in damnation).
Bearing in mind the infinity that is God, and how we cannot possibly comprehend his actions, surely our judgement must still be made on rational human grounds. What I desire in a God above all other things is Justice. Just because some omnipotent being may have created me, doesn't imply any right to order my life as he wishes.
A truly just God, would guide his children, would enable everyone equal access to his mercy and laws. A truly just God would not need to resort to punishment to get his points across. If God cannot fulfil these simple requirements, than like any other person, they are simply not worthy of trust. When this is coupled with the Bible being the source of all knowledge, yet written by man in numerous historical accounts which fail to take into account modern society, I wonder how so many can still believe. Honesty, accountability and Justice. It seems I desire too much.
: : : 3) If the person is an infant, then the same rule applies. Very likely, the way I believe, an infant will go to Heaven based on the previous ruling.
When as a human, do we become truly accountable for our actions? Does baptism and confirmation absolve all our sins? How will an infant even understand heaven and will it survive into perpetuity as a baby?
Lets say I don't believe in God at present, yet I recant and choose to believe on my deathbed. If I'm truly repentent, will that ensure my pathway into heaven even if I have lived an evil life?
If the answer is Yes, what is to stop me enjoying life now, and worrying about the consequences until later?
If the answer is No, where is the point from which you cannot be redeemed?
I humbly await your reply :)
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