Posted by Ezekiel 25:17 on June 20, 2001 at 16:21:19:
In Reply to: Re: Question and Oops posted by James 5:16 on June 08, 2001 at 19:00:26:
: In the Christian belief, we are all "bad" people in the sense that even though we are saved (or not saved) we continue to sin (namely act against the accordance of the God we have chosen (or not chosen) to believe in). Believers sin again and again. We are people. We have failings. We now however, have the ability to not sin. That is something non-believers cannot do. Again this is very harsh, but it is the structure the Bible sets up.
Thus, you state non-believers can't be good people. Believers and non-believers are people. As you said they all sin, why is it so difficult to fathom non-believers living reasonable, good lives?
If its very harsh, perhaps it should be considered in the light of any other law. Something which should be questioned and not followed blindly.
: Islam, because they believe in the same God as the Christians and the Jews, have their own judge. That is clearly laid out for them too.
Thus, God judges people by two different standards? Doesn't sound like a fair, just, consistent and merciful God to me.
: Again, not so. These people who have not heard of Christ become a law unto themselves and are judged by that standard.
Ignorance of the law is no excuse for the breaching of the law I take it. Doesn't God have some sort of implied moral requirement to ensure everyone is equally informed?
: Actually, we cannot desire what comes in a god. That's not the way it works. I would desire a god that lets me eat only ice cream all of the time and never gain weight. But that's not reality. I cannot choose what God is like. That assumes a power over an infinite being. Since I am not an infinite being, I don't have the power to do so.
Just like any other leader, we have the choice to follow or not follow. If President Bush said, vote for me or I'll shoot you, would you consider that a just option, let alone even viable?
Yet, given a choice between heaven and hell, that is the ultimate choice.
: The is accountability and justice. We are accountable to God. He puts the justice on the world.
One way accountability, that's really fair.
That's like saying, we should obey all laws and pay our taxes, whilst the Government can do whatever they like.
: : : : : 3) If the person is an infant, then the same rule applies. Very likely, the way I believe, an infant will go to Heaven based on the previous ruling.
And live life in heaven as an infant with no needs beyond the primal? Sounds fun.
: : Lets say I don't believe in God at present, yet I recant and choose to believe on my deathbed. If I'm truly repentent, will that ensure my pathway into heaven even if I have lived an evil life?
: : If the answer is Yes, what is to stop me enjoying life now, and worrying about the consequences until later?
: The truth will be written on your heart and, very likely, your repentance will be false.
If it's that easy for God to decide what our true intentions are, why do we even need the Bible as a guide?
Our actions whether or not we believe in the Bible, if of a goodly nature, should be enough.
Looking forward to your reply as always :)
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