Posted by James 5:16 on August 13, 2001 at 22:38:19:
In Reply to: Re: Nope posted by Ezekiel 25:17 on August 13, 2001 at 06:45:26:
: : I understand your disappointment. I will tell you that there is a God however...the same God who destroyed the known world with a flood, burned a city full of "his creation" to the ground, ordered the death via sacrifice of countless animals, and also declared that no power higher than he could be found....(His commitment to Abram) To further make his point he told Abram to slauter several animals and then proceeded to prance through their blood to "cement" his covenant with Abram (Abraham). This is the God that exisits. He is violent, cruel, selfish, arrogant, and destructive. The God that man created in the New Testament is very different...This God is compassionate, caring, etc. Well...there are a LOT of people making a LOT of money on this. Literally Billions of dollars are wasted each year to support lavish lifestyles of people such as Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Jessie Duplantis, Paul Crouch...just to name a few. The works that they do are good for the people overall, but their method of deceiving people from their money is extrodinary....
: Ah, how rare, a believer in God that does not believe in God's benevolence.
As a Christian, please, oh, please, don't hold all of those names as representative of Christianity as a whole. There many views of the Bible and God and it very hard to make good examples because some of the best pastors and priests don't have air time on T.V.
: Logically speaking, I agree that just because there may be a deity which created this earth doesn't necessarily mean this deity is good and just. I believe this is a step in the right direction.
: However, alternatively I don't think it is any more likely for a deity to exist that is 'out to get us' or 'experiment on us' as you seem to imply. Personally, I'm more inclined to believe in a more apathetic God which doesn't care either way about our actions. Not that my view is any more valid than the above.
Christianity holds that the Holy Spirit (one third of an infinite being) indwells Christians. He is not apathetic at all. He pays close attention to us. On a personal level.
: :Take heart in knowing that the truth is about to become known and God is about to be reveal in his true nature. Man will then be privy to the fact that God as we have known him is not only weak, but actually couldn't care less about humans or this planet. I wish you well, remember no matter how cruel God is, keep faith in yourself, and the good things that you can do for others. Always do for others everything you can to help them, to comfort them and to improve their life as you can. But give yourself the credit, for if God actually was powerful, and caring he would eliminate crimes against people, eradicate sickness, and personally attend to our pains. Sadly, God is not capable or willing to do any of this. Life is yours, don't waste it serving something that cares nothing about you!
: I agree with your philosophy in life to keep faith in oneself, a difficult task at the best of times. Helping others is always an altruistic goal and never wasted.
: However, your arguments debating the cruelty of God can be refuted in many ways. I'll just list a few of the simpler explanations usually conveyed.
: 1. Earth is not meant to be paradise, and suffering is what helps us to grow.
: 2. God doesn't willlingly allow this to happen, we bring this upon ourselves by exercising our free-will and causing these events ourselves. Without free-will we are merely robots, but that is another issue.
: 3. God isn't here to serve us, we are here to serve and worship him.
1. Earth is not paradise. It has not been since Eden.
2. You are right. Our sinfullness (or evil deeds) are of our own doing. There is free will here as you say.
3. Right again. Except you left out the mutual love that Christ and Christians share.
: However, my real point is that as humans we are always seeking blame or shifting responsibility. It is important to have faith in ourselves, yet it is also important to accept responsibility for our actions. Much misery and deprevation in this world comes about by the actions of humans alone. We do not need to attribute a vengeful deity as the cause of all suffering. Personally, you may have lived a good and pure life, but still responsibility should be accepted for humanity as a whole for our destructive tendencies.
: Bad things happen to us all, some our fault, some through no fault of our own. What defines us as worthwhile human beings is the ability to overcome these pitfalls and attempt to learn from these experiences. That simple step of acceptance and growth, irrespective of religion is a difficult step, that too few make.
Very true. However, to add to your statement, religion IS a guide, whichever one you choose. That is why I personally have a difficult time with atheism. It is tough stance for me to understand. I choose Christianity, others make their own choices.
Please take time and care in picking the religion you see follows closest to your beliefs. It's very, very important. I can't make this choice for you.
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