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Re: Belief

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Posted by James 5:16 on March 01, 2002 at 12:20:17:

In Reply to: Belief posted by Ezekiel 25:17 on February 19, 2002 at 02:12:47:

: Let me digress a little :)

: What is there in today's world that is worth believing in? (deities aside)

: 1. I believe in humanity.
: I believe that although no one is perfect, we all have the ability to learn from our mistakes and the free will to choose to do so.

Agreed. Where we find the guide to correcting our mistakes is individual. Some find it from God, others from their own thoughts.

: 2. I believe in truth.
: The little of it there is around, makes it all the more valuable, even though there is little absolute truth.

This is a very difficult issue here. Even though the two of us have had friendly disagreements, we have never come to grips as to any aspect of what the truth might be. I'd like you to tell me what truth means to you before I continue please.

: 3. I believe in knowledge
: The more we know, the more able we are to cope with events and make the correct decisions.

I completely agree.

: 4. I believe in honour
: Without trust, the full potential of humanity will never be reached.

Trust and honor are unbelievably important. I agree with you here as well.

: 5. I believe in hope
: Without hope, why do we even bother to continue to survive.

Also, I agree once more.

: What don't I believe in?

: 1. I don't believe in justice.
: Justice is a term usually used by one person at the expense of another.

Justice can be used that way. It can also be used to define a relationship between two people where one person has hurt or killed or done damage in general to another. The law of the land is a form of justice. The Bible is a form of justice. There are many, many ways to define ways of justice. In their own minds, the people who destroyed the World Trade Center (while in my belief not just at all) justified themselves using their own religion. Justice very much exists. However, the boundaries and ramifications of the law that lead to justice, the result too, are set precedented to the action. Else the action taken is simply chaos. So, justice, in and of itself, is a result of the laws we, as humans, set based on Constitutional, Biblical or other sources.

: 2. I don't believe in good and evil.
: No one is born inherently and inescapably evil with no method of redemption. Similarly, the opposite also applies. Any acts which are deemed 'good' or 'evil' are usually applied by those which dislike an act done by another. These acts aren't necessarily in themselves evil.

I agree to much of what you say and some of what you do not. First, I believe that no man born is all good (save Jesus but I'll leave that out) and no man born is all evil. Also, in general, our actions are considered good and evil, not the people but for the sake of argument, we'll allow that too.
So, we have good and evil men and women. True.
Are some acts considered good and evil. Yes.

How do we interpret this?
We could say that all men and women have inherantly good and evil thoughts and actions. The question in my mind is one that you brought up: redemption.

How can we be redeemed? That is a very difficult question to throw out.

We do good things, for which we do not need to be redeemed.

We do evil things, for which we do need to be redeemed. But how? What do we look to to find that redemption. Or is it forgivness? Please tell me.

: 3. I don't believe in destiny.
: Coincidence, no matter how extraordinary or improbable is still just that. If our lives were controlled or pre-planned than what use is it to even try to influence our fate?

Because we have no way of knowing what that fate might be? Even those that are the greatest mystics on Earth still are never infallible. It's just the way things are. We may have a destiny planned out for us that is coming tomorrow. Can we alter it? (Should destiny exist of course...) Even if we knew what was going to happen, we might try to change it. Or was that part of our destiny? It's a jumble. I just think that there is a destiny (I'm a Christian.) but we have choices that we make every day. Does God know what those choices will be? Yes. Does He stop them? Not that I can ever tell. So, we go on.
: 4. I don't believe in using CAPITAL LETTERS to emphasise a point :)

I agree completely.

: Use quotation marks by all means to emphasise something, but there are no brownie points given out to the loud :)

: Cheers,
: Ezekiel

More things to consider,

James 5:16

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